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piligrim wrote: on Sunday 27 July 2025, 01:56
Don't know what pips is it

Why am I not shocked (that you are cluelss about pips but keep making a fool of yourselves by glorifying players who use dysfuntional pips that are useless in the 40+ platic ball ONLY era after 14 Rule changes to extrermintae choppers) .
Anyywat here is the link to the rubber Misal is using

All Ihad to do was a simple Google searchYinhe VIP unapproved pips > piligrim & HaggisV clueless as usual Re: John Russel Misal, Modern Fefender left handed

Here is the transllation to the picture attached (back cover)

Lei Zhenzhen MOXA–VIP Custom Edition Long Pips Rubber

Lei Zhenzhen, a table tennis star and one of China's top ten long pips players, is a forehand-inverted rubber and backhand long pips chopping-style defensive player.
She is affiliated with the Guangdong Table Tennis Club League and the Long Pips Alliance, serving as the president of the Guangdong Association and a main player of the A and B league teams of the Xin Hongda Club.

Achievements:
Champion of the National Long Pips Open in 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019.

In 2014, she won the overall championship in the Women's Singles at the National Veterans Table Tennis Championship.

In 2018, she won the title of “Champion of the Long Pips Anti-Spin Invitational Tournament” in Heze, Shandong.

She has also won championships and awards in various amateur and professional tournaments across the country.

MOXA–VIP Custom Edition Long Pips Rubber:
This is a special edition long pips rubber exclusively customized for Lei Zhenzhen — developed after a year of professional testing and adjustments.
This rubber has a high-density, thin sponge bottom, featuring over 40 custom-designed pips per square centimeter. The pips are evenly arranged with high elasticity and excellent friction. The sponge is soft and highly sensitive, enhancing control while maintaining strong spin and speed.
Whether for fast-blocking, chopping, or disruptive attacks, it is powerful for forehand and backhand defense. The rubber performs particularly well in actual matches and is suitable for medium and high-level players.
Highly recommended for chopping-style long pips players. Rated 10 out of 10 in spin, control, and match performance.

Manufacturer:
Hebei Yingpai Sporting Goods Co., Ltd.
Address: Hengshui City, Hebei Province, China
Phone: 15609510101

Product Barcode: 0/YSRP17
Specifications:

Color: Red / Black

Thickness: 0.6 / 0.8 / 1.0 / 1.2

Sponge hardness: Soft

Style: Chopping

Classification: Long Pips Rubber

The non solidified version is listed on (click link) ITTF LARC as Yinhe VIP 49-017

The solidified version is NOT ITTF approved

What does solidified mean ?

They also have Yinhe VVIP in solidified & non solidified versions LOL
Click this link for a list of sellers

Solidified version isn not ITTF approved
Non-solidified version is iTTF approved as 49-108

Donell wrote: ↑July 28th, 2025, 2:06 am The non solidified version is listed on (click link) ITTF LARC as Yinhe VIP 49-017

The solidified version is NOT ITTF approved

So does this mean Misal is using an upapproved rubber in ITTF tournaments ?

I personally do not care but just curious

Note :- I am also not saying that he is playing in ITTF tournamnets using solidified pips. I do not know

Amber ly Dep wrote: ↑July 28th, 2025, 2:08 am What does solidified mean ?

Frictionless not approved LARC rubber.

merlin el mago wrote: ↑August 7th, 2025, 11:17 pm

Amber ly Dep wrote: ↑July 28th, 2025, 2:08 am What does solidified mean ?

Frictionless not approved LARC rubber.

Thanks for you reply .
I understand it being not ITTF approved

But what I meant to ask was as to what the solidification does to the pips ?
How does solidification make it frictionless ?
My undersatnding is that the frictionlessness comes from the top of the pips being glassy smooth .
How does solidification create firictionless behavior ?
If any , I think solidification makes the pips stiffer and act more like wide (stiff) pips and less disruptive and less spin reversal ?
Do you agree ? Or is something else is going on ?

BTW I do understand treating (painting) the top or side of the pips with epoxy etc could make them less grippy meaning make sthem act more like frictionless pips .
But I do not see how "solidification" of the pips makes them act frictionless.

Unless a wrong word is being used and soaking them in kerosene etc may actually make the pips softer and thus more disruptive, simulating frictionless pips behavior.

I am not doing any of these and also not interested in doing any of this. I just buy non ITTF non treated pips so ho hassle
I am not a professional or even a league player

Amber ly Dep wrote: ↑August 15th, 2025, 1:56 am BTW I do understand treating (painting) the top or side of the pips with epoxy etc could make them less grippy meaning make sthem act more like frictionless pips .
But I do not see how "solidification" of the pips makes them act frictionless.

Solidification of the pips or rubbers equal less grippy so frictionless. That's very good to play close to the table

Amber ly Dep wrote: ↑August 15th, 2025, 1:56 am Unless a wrong word is being used and soaking them in kerosene etc may actually make the pips softer and thus more disruptive, simulating frictionless pips behavior.

The disruptive comes because pips are more separate, softer and longer pips have more flex providing the reversal & dampening. That's very good for classical defense far from the table

Amber ly Dep wrote: ↑August 15th, 2025, 1:56 am I am not doing any of these and also not interested in doing any of this. I just buy non ITTF non treated pips so ho hassle
I am not a professional or even a league player

Each treatment have each purpose