Re:- Frictionless Antispin vs Dr. Neubauer Super Block OX

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Re:- Frictionless Antispin vs Dr. Neubauer Super Block OX

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h3llary wrote: on Monday October 9, 2023 #1
Does anyone know which one of the two would have more spin reversal ?
Dr Neubauer super block OX or modern frictionless anti like ABS Pro, Storkraft, Super Glanti Black 0.7mm?
Even a decent blocking type long pips on the useless ITTF LARC list such as Dr Neubauer super block OX will have better spin reversal than the very best frictionless antis .

Antispin rubbers are just dysfucntional social rubbers used by honorary loopers .
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Re: Re:- Frictionless Antispin vs Dr. Neubauer Super Block OX

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I agree.
Long pips rubbers are harder to learn to use but are more effective
Anti spin rubbers are easier to learn to use but are also lesseffective
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Re: Re:- Frictionless Antispin vs Dr. Neubauer Super Block OX

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Antispin rubbers are just marketing gimmicks used by manufacturers just to sell more rubber.
Antispin rubbers are evn more useless in the current 40+ plastic ball ONLY era
I recommend a blocking type (frictionless) long pips such as 388D (NOT 388D-1 or 388D-2)
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Spin Reversal vs Spin AmplificationYesterday at 8:48 AM New #3 Hi, Just to let you know that Dr Neubauer super block ha

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DG89 wrote:on Friday October 20, 8:48 AM #3
Just to let you know that Dr Neubauer super block has been banned for some time now as it was part of the old 'frictionless' pimples era. it's ok to practice with and mess around, but not legal to use in any competition.
Two items
1. The use of the word "legal" in this context. Only rubbers that can be "Legal" or "illegal" are rubbers that are spoosted or spin glued in violation of ITTF Rule 2.4.7. "Illegal" in this context mean violation of common law. So other rubbers such as are either ITTF approved or yet to be approved or de-approved.
2. You said "any" competition. What about non-ITTF tournaments ? Also, you can use ANY rubber in any tournament with permission of the tournament authorities. If a TD allows you to use a rubber not on ITTF LARC, that sets a precedence & that rubber is approved going forward in all ITTF events. Of course no TD will allow that but on the other hand will allow use of "illegal" spoosters & spin glues with zero testing but that hypocrisy is an entirely different matter
DG89 wrote:on Friday October 20, 8:48 AM #3
with the glanti rubber you are asking about, I would imagine the reversal will be about the same. Both rubbers will create very high spin reversal
If you plan to stick with either of these rubbers, glanti will be the best choice as its legal to use and super block isn't 👍🏻
You imagined wrong as do most table tennis players who have no clue about the mechanics of how long pips & anti work.
Anti rubbers produce spin "reversal" by simply returning the incoming spin. But long pips rubbers not only reverse the spin but they actually amplify spin. How ? The pips bend & store the energy & then release it like a sling shot. The spin amplification happens during the long dwell time that the ball sits on your racket (pips) . Yes frictionless LPs have some sliding of the ball due to lack of grip of the pips but still the dwell time is much higher than anti due to pips bending. This is why a chop blocker like Zhou Xintong can produce enormous amount of spin (reversal) with her long pips because of the chopping motion part of the chop-block. It is easier because the OX rubber gives lot more control of the chop (block) than an anti can give. There is also the issue of added weight of anti compared to an OX long pips which makes quick hand motion either for a chop or a side swipe much more difficult.
Also if you are using a slow mushy layer on the long pips side, the mushy wood layer adds even more to the dwell time. This effect is not as pronounced with an anti because there is a sponge between the slick top sheet & the wood. Lots of players like HaggisV, Rob M etc do not understand this & keep claiming that a stiff layer on pips side will give more spin reversal. Ask yourself this . Assuming you use same rubber on both sides which blade will give more spin reversal , Butterfly Sradius or Timo Tri-Carbon, both stiff fast blades with minimal dwell time or a slow 3 ply all wood defensive blade with slow mushy layers & very high dwell time.
DG89 wrote:on Friday October 20, 8:48 AM #3
If you plan to stick with either of these rubbers, glanti will be the best choice as its legal to use and super block isn't 👍🏻
Nope . A long pip is always the better choice than anti. As someone else pointed out earlier, yes it is harder to kearn to use long pips compared to anti. But it is also harder for most opponents to play against long pips than anti because the dyanmic range (things you can do) of long pips is far superior to anti. Long pips were actually invented after anti for obviuos reasons but clueless players keep ging back to anti or backhand short pips falling for the marketing gimmicks by manufactureres.
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