How many total long pips are there ?

[teylev]

I am confused about the total number of long pips in TableTennis .
I checked the current (click blue link) ITTF LARC

It shows 182 pips listed as long pips

But several posters in this forum have repeatedly pointed out there are no long pips in TableTennis

So what is the story ?

[Lanuola]

ITTF banned long pips in 1977.
I am sure lot of players think I am lying
But feel free to check the ITTF 1975 handbook & compare it to 1977 handbook & check the "Laws of TableTennis" section that defines the racket.
I will post both later.

Anyway , there are no LONG pips in ITTF TableTennis since 1977.
The 182 rubbers listed on (click blue link) ITTF LARC are actually slim (flex) pips. ITTF has been fooling the clueless choppers by deceptively calling the slim (flex) pips as long (flex) pips.
To read more about why the are slim (flex) pips, click here for the topic thread in this forum, that discusses this in full detail


The slim (flex) pips listed on ITTF LARC are actually useless not so functional social pips , especially in the 40+ plastic ball only era since 2014 .
Some of these may be useful for new players starting in the sport upto may be advanced intermediate level but slim (flex) pips are a complete joke for advanced & pro players. This especially all the more true for choppers.

Anyway to answer your question , there are about only 3 or 4 actual non-treated long pips ( all from China ) that may work for close to the table block defenders. These are Mo Avalox, Globe Mo Wang 3 , Yinhe Young (the long pips version NOT the ITTF LARC version) and Reach C-8
Kep in mind that these are not on ITTF LARC but you can use them whoever allows them such as your local league & any non-ITTF tournaments.

And there are only 2 long pips rubbers that are slightly useful for away from the table choppers.
These are Magic 77 and Reach C-801
These 2 are actually more of an all round type rubbers but these are as good as it gets

[teylev]

What about the many actual long pips (non ITTF) from Indonesia ?

[Lanuola]

What about the many actual long pips (non ITTF) from Indonesia ?

There is some confusion about these items. It is not clear whether they are treated pips
Because I read some other forum that they are treated pips.
But then again this may disinformation campaign by ITTF moles in those ITTF worship forums

I also heard something else . I asked a dealer if they were rubbers. They told me it is not runner but is made of non-rubber material.

Another issue is that it is so hard to buy them outside the South East Asian countries

So I would stick with Chinese non-treated long pips rubbers. They are very durable . I never had pips break even after aggressive & continuous use for months. (BUt I would also stay away from any treated or cured pips as well. The pips may break easier)

[Sachin Tandelkur]

Click here if you want more detailed calculations about slim (flex) pips as compared to wide pips and long pips

[merlin el mago]

ITTF banned long pips in 1977.
I am sure lot of players think I am lying
But feel free to check the ITTF 1975 handbook & compare it to 1977 handbook & check the "Laws of TableTennis" section that defines the racket.
I will post both later.

Anyway , there are no LONG pips in ITTF TableTennis since 1977.
The 182 rubbers listed on (click blue link) ITTF LARC are actually slim (flex) pips. ITTF has been fooling the clueless choppers by deceptively calling the slim (flex) pips as long (flex) pips.
To read more about why the are slim (flex) pips, click here for the topic thread in this forum, that discusses this in full detail


The slim (flex) pips listed on ITTF LARC are actually useless not so functional social pips , especially in the 40+ plastic ball only era since 2014 .
Some of these may be useful for new players starting in the sport upto may be advanced intermediate level but slim (flex) pips are a complete joke for advanced & pro players. This especially all the more true for choppers.

Anyway to answer your question , there are about only 3 or 4 actual non-treated long pips ( all from China ) that may work for close to the table block defenders. These are Mo Avalox, Globe Mo Wang 3 , Yinhe Young (the long pips version NOT the ITTF LARC version) and Reach C-8
Kep in mind that these are not on ITTF LARC but you can use them whoever allows them such as your local league & any non-ITTf tournamemts.

And there are only 2 long pips rubbers that are slightly useful for away from the table choppers.
These are Magic 77 and Reach C-801
These 2 are actually more of an all round type rubbers but these are as good as it gets

Yinhe Young OX 2.5 cured frictionless or with 2.1 with friction are differente animals, depending the lenght and with or without friction combined with the right blade will be better for close to the table blockers or for classical defense to chop far from the table,. Now I'm using 2.5 OX frictionles with Matador Texa Carbon, isn't so dangerous like not aproved long pips but far better than aproved long pips Like Reach and Magic 77but if you use 2.1 OX it's legal.

Reach C801 have the best dampening equal or more than Giant Dragon Talon National Team but is the long pips more difficult to play, also have the most disruption of all but is not the best to chop far from the table. If you play close to the table blocking or chop-blocking is where excels combined with a stiff and not too light blade like MTC. Not legal.

Reach C8 less disruption than Reach C801, excels like the best chopping LP so far for classical defense, more easy to play than Reach C801. High level players can't return more than 2-3 balls if you chop right. Not legal.

Magic 77, it's a very good all round LP not excels in nothing in particular but not bad, easy to play like Reach C801 & C8, started with this LP for high aspect-ratio but when tried Reach family liked more because are more focused to defend. Also not legal.

N.B. If Dr. Neubauer Matador Texa Carbon it's too fast for you & without control I used also Der Material Spezialist The Wall (slow & light) perfect to play close to the table & The Wall Carbon only a little bit faster but carbon enables more control to my game and still light and not too big because playing close to the table needs a manageable blade to play inside the table.

[Damyan]

Yinhe Young OX 2.5 cured frictionless or with 2.1 with friction are differente animals, depending the lenght and with or without friction combined with the right blade will be better for close to the table blockers or for classical defense to chop far from the table,. Now I'm using 2.5 OX frictionles with Matador Texa Carbon, isn't so dangerous like not aproved long pips but far better than aproved long pips Like Reach and Magic 77 but if you use 2.1 OX it's legal.

Good detailed review.

But there i some confusion abouy Yinhe Young.
ITTF LARC says it is approved but it cannot be the 2.1 mm version because the maximum allowed slim pips length in ITTF is 2.05 mm as of 2024.
2.1 mm is a long pips prubber.
Long pips are banned in ITTF's Olympic TableTennis as of BGM 1977

There is a lot of discusion about Yinhe Young in a separate thread below
viewtopic.php?p=6720

[Lukjanm]

There is a lot of discusion about Yinhe Young in a separate thread below
https://ioctt.com/pb27/viewtopic.php?p=6720

Please take a look at the picture of the package I posted (post #6)

It shows 3 different pip lengths (at bottom right corner)
Only 1.9 mm is slim (flex) pips & approved by ITTF

2.1 mm & 2.5 mm bersions are long pips and not allowed in ITTF official play