Looking for a manufacturer to produce Magic 77 on steroids

[James Z]

To be very clear when I use the word “steroid” I don’t mean it literally but I use it just metaphorically. I am neither promoting steroids nor the treating of pips

I am looking for chopping type long pips rubbers that will work halfway decent in the 40+ plastic ball ONLY era from long pips makers in China , Indonesia , Korea, Germany etc
Currently I am using a Chinese rubber called Magic 77 from China.
Magic 77 seems to be the only high aspect ratio super long pips rubber with halfway decent Looper Torture Index.
Even though this is the absolute best long pips I have EVER used, there are a few problems with this rubber for away from the table chopping regarding the ability to produce at least somewhat decent enough back spin for the 40+ plastic ball era (even though the back spin & looper torture index is still far far superior to any crappy useless long pips on the ITTF LARC)

Problem 1 :- The pip tops are not rough enough for maximizing backspin
Problem 2 :- The pips are not flexible enough for maximizing backspin
Problem 3:- The material of the pips does not seem to compatible enough to maximize backspin . the material should be somewhat like P1 Curl or many Dr,Neubauer rubbers
Problem 4 :- The pip distribution density (less than ITTF allowed max 30 pips / sq.cm) is utterly useless for the plastic ball era. The pip density must be close to the previous ITTF allowed max of max 50 pips / sq.cm to maximize backspin
Problem 5 :- The base of the top sheet (on which the pips sit on) seems to be too thick. It would be nice to have a thin base like with useless ITTF LARC pips like P1 Curl & few others so that they would be the most lethal in OX version

I think High Aspect Ratio Super Long Pips are currently available from Indonesia & China. I could not find any others from China. (Avalox Mo & Globe Mo wang 3 are very good close to the table blocking type High Aspect Ratio Super Long Pips & I would highly recommend them but I looking for Magic 77 on steroids for chopping that meets at least a few more of above 5 requirements so that I can at least barely survive in the 40+ plastic ball era) .

I am not looking for treated pips such as those made by soaking ITTF LARC pips in chemicals like kerosine. I also do not recommend these because the pips break in like 16 minutes. Also using treated pips is just as sleazy as using illegal speed glues or illegal boosters, which ITTF has defined as unhealthy & cannot be used per Rule 2.4.7 & Regulation 3.4.2.2. Another big problem is that there are about 300 booster & speed-glue cheats for every pips treat cheat but since the 300 booster cheats are as loud in complaining to ITTF, which is also controlled by spooster supremacists, all ITTF hears is that & acts accordingly passing one rule / regulation change after another
If you know of any such rubbers from Indonesia please let me know. Of if you know of any manufacturer in China or Indonesia that is willing to make a test batch I am willing to buy.

BTW if you are wondering what qualifies as High Aspect Ratio Super Long Pips, below are minimum requirements
1. The Aspect Ratio(AR) must be at least 1.5 ( Current ITTF Max is 1.1 and before the 1998 Durban Aspect Ratio Reduction Massacre the max AR allowed by ITTF was 1.3
2. The length of the pips must be at least 2.5 mm (Current ITTF max is 2 mm)
3. The PDD (pips distribution density) must be much higher than the current ITTF max of 30 pips / sq.cm (preferably approach 50 pips per sq.cm which was the max allowed before the pre 2004 Pip Density Reduction Regulation reduced it to 30)
4. Pip Friction must not be low, meaning the top & sides of the pips must be rough. the pips must not be glassy & smooth either on the sides or on top. There are plenty of high aspect ratio super long pips already from Indonesia (I have no issue with that) but I am looking for a chopping type super pips
5. Pip flexibility must be high to be able to maximize back-spin but not too high for the pips to be uncontrollable as in the case of TDP P1 Curl etc

Finally to be very clear when I use the word “steroid” I don’t mean it literally but I use it just metaphorically. I am neither promoting steroids not treating of pips

Thanks

[LP Loop]

As of right now Magic 77 is the ONLY non-treated actual long pips that is available that comes close to being a chopping rubber in the 40+ plastic ball era after the 14 rule regulation changes since 1977 to exterminate choppers.

I wish they could make at least some of the above suggested changes to increase the looper torture index

[jackson 3d]

I would strongly urge the ignorant chopper fools to perform a looper torture index comparison test to experience the difference

[merlin el mago]

Have you tried Reach C8?

[James Z]

Have you tried Reach C8?

I did not try C8 because AR is too low for chopping.
I tried C-801 but it was very hard to control & it was very weird.

Yes the pip tops are rough for more (back)spin but if you are a chopper you want more control.
I am not sure where lack of control comes from

I could not test properly because I cannot play with my dominant hand lst 5 months because of a problem between shoulder & elbow .
I am trying to play with my non dominant hand but it is also beginning to hurt as well.
I am told age related nd much I can do .

I will test c-801 more when I get a chance.

I wish they had two versions of Magic 77 , one for choppers with rougher pip top & closer pip density and slightly more flexible for more back spin
And one version for blockers with vertical alignment with glassy smooth pip tops like before the 2008 Frictionless pips ban & slightly more flexible (The pip density is correct as it is).

And it would be nice if they had a chopper version of C-801 with more control.
The flexibility & pip top roughness is correct.

Globe Mo Wang 3 is only for blockers & not even for chop blockers as it is way too fast
Mo Avalox is a little slower but also only for blockers
Both are vertical alignment

The aspect ratio & pip length for all 4 above rubbers seem to be close to ideal for a (click link >) fair and level playing field in the 40+ plastic ball ONLY era

[merlin el mago]

Despite AR of C8 is way easy to control and chop is stronger than C801.

I'm sorry to hear you can't play with your dominant hand, I have also injured mine left shoulder so can play with my dominant right hand, I wish you a fast and good recovery.

I like better to chop the horizontal alignment.

NB mine C8 is the old model.

[merlin el mago]

What about these?

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[merlin el mago]

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