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Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: November 28th, 2024, 6:50 pm
by Block Spin
Take a look at the specifications
ITTF LARC shows this as an approved rubber with an approval code of
49-016
Click on link for Ali Express below
Yinhe Young rubber
The product description says as follows
Brand: Yinhe
Model: Young StandardRubber
Type: Long PimplesGranule
Width: 1.5mm±Granule
Height: 2.1mm/2.5mm
Thickness: OX (without a sponge)
Category: Solidified / non-solidified
Characteristics of solidifiedSolidified long pimples rubber exhibits reduced friction compared to its non-solidified counterpart. This reduction in friction results in enhanced blocking capabilities, with the ability to generate a stronger reverse spin and a noticeable sinking effect when returning a top spin ball. Consequently, it becomes challenging for opponents to execute a second loop. The rubber imparts a flat and floating trajectory while maintaining high attacking speed. However, it's worth noting that solidified rubber demands a higher level of control and introduces an element of unpredictability, making it a unique and challenging choice for players seeking to disrupt their opponents' strategies.Characteristics of non-solidified
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: November 28th, 2024, 7:09 pm
by EmetE
Even if it was approved, the ITTF pip length cannot exceed 2.05 mm (was 2.00 mm before 2024)
Look like this rubber was approved more than 5 or so years or more ago.
Of course you are free to use either the 2.1 mm version or the 2.5 mm in non ITTF events
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: November 28th, 2024, 7:15 pm
by Nerusul
It also says they have solidified versions
Are they not ITTF unapproved ?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: November 28th, 2024, 7:20 pm
by Amudhan
Nerusul wrote: ↑November 28th, 2024, 7:15 pm
It also says they have solidified versions
Are they not ITTF unapproved ?
LOL
I saw a whole bunch of ITTF approved rubbers now available in solidified (or treated or cured or whatever) form on eBay & Ali Express etc
Some of these are
Dawei Saviga 5
Saviga Monster 77
Dawei 388 D 1
Dawei 388 D2
and few others
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: November 29th, 2024, 2:41 am
by Block Spin
Please be aware of the differences between REAL long pips & ITTF's FAKE long pips
The rubbers listed on ITTF LARC are fake or social long pips.
Foe a rubber to qualify as REAL long pips in the 40+ plastic ball ONLY era, for a level & fair playing field and also for better presentation to spectators , it must meet one or more of following requirements
1. The pip length (or heigh) must be over the ITTF max limit of 2.05 mm (preferably at least 2.5 mm but not over 3.0 mm)
2. The pip aspect ratio must definitely be increased from the current UTTF maximum limit of 1.1 (ideal value is 1.5 .......this is adjusted based on the pre 1998 ITTF limit of 1.3 and corrected for 7 more rule changes after 1998 to oppress defensive players , both blockers & choppers) . 2.05 mm is a big joke in the 40+ plastic ball ONLY era but of course that is waht the robotNazi controlled ITTF wants to help the loopers but to severely limit the choppers.......and the chopper fools have no clue
3. The pip density must be minimum as stated before the 2004 pip density reduction rule (this is for chopping long pips only for more back spin . This does not apply to blocking long pips ,which can have lower pip density)
4. For a long pips to qualify as blocker long pips it must have pip friction as from before the 2008 ban on frictionless long pips. But to qualify as a choppers' long pips , the pip tops must be quite rough and not smooth as for frictionless long pips. There is a myth among players frictionless long pips give more reversal & more back spin. The spin reversal of most popular rubbers like Tibhar Dtec OX does not come from it being most frictionless *after 2008 value) , it comes from other pip design parameters such as pip flexibility or pip material type etc. but NOT from its being frictionless. But Dtec seems to be most popular because it is most disruptive not because it gives most spin reversal or spin generation such as with Feint Long 2 or 3 or to some extent with Victas Curl P1v.........though these rubbers are pure garbage & useless for a chopper in the 40+ plastic ball era........ITTF wants clueless newbie wannabe choppers to believes that these are useful chopping rubbers ......which is the biggest joke & the robotNazis who control the ITTF are probably laughing their behinds off as to how well they can manipulate and control and brainwash the clueless defenders, especially the choppers) .
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: November 29th, 2024, 2:53 am
by James Z
Additional information about pip parameters click on the following link
Pip design parameters and playing characteriics
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: November 29th, 2024, 6:42 am
by Ralph 23
The 2.1 mm version of Yinhe Young is also available from a Malysian dealer
LG Sports
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: November 30th, 2024, 5:09 am
by Dougla
Block Spin wrote: ↑November 28th, 2024, 6:50 pm
Width: 1.5 mm± Granule
Height: 2.1 mm or
2.5mm
Height 2.1 mm Width 1.5 mm gives Aspect ratio of 1.4
Height 2.5 mm Width 1.5 mm gives Aspect ratio of 1.67
Even the 2.1 mm version is better than the pre 1998 versions with 1.3 mm MAX before ITTF deopped it to max limit of 1.1 in 1998
ITTF cabbit do anything if someone uses even the 2.5 mm version since it i sITTF approved with approval code of 49-016
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: December 1st, 2024, 10:29 pm
by merlin el mago
Version height 2.5 is frictionless or with friction?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: December 2nd, 2024, 5:32 am
by merlin el mago
Someone tried?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: December 11th, 2024, 7:14 am
by Block Spin
merlin el mago wrote: ↑December 1st, 2024, 10:29 pm
Version height 2.5 is frictionless or with friction?
I think it is available is both types according to AliExpress link I post in my first post in this thread
But I do not know any more details as I did not order yet
Cheers
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: December 15th, 2024, 12:13 am
by merlin el mago
Still nobody tried?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: February 5th, 2025, 11:03 am
by merlin el mago
Received the Yinhe Young Red OX 2.1 with friction few days ago & today arrived the blade The Wall Carbon and glued the long pips, surely this week I will try and tell here how it goes vs the same blade with Reach C801.
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: February 8th, 2025, 12:12 pm
by Block Spin
merlin el mago wrote: ↑February 5th, 2025, 11:03 am
Received the Yinhe Young Red OX 2.1 with friction few days ago & today arrived the blade The Wall Carbon and glued the long pips, surely this week I will try and tell here how it goes vs the same blade with Reach C801.
Why did you not order the 2.5 mm version ?
If it has the ITTF logo, then you can use it in ITTF events right ?
How would the umpire know if it is 2.1 or 2.5 ?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: February 14th, 2025, 9:24 am
by merlin el mago
I'm waiting answer for the seller because first to buy I want to know if are frictionless or with friction.
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: March 6th, 2025, 1:51 pm
by James Z
merlin el mago wrote: ↑February 14th, 2025, 9:24 am
I'm waiting answer for the seller because first to buy I want to know if are frictionless or with friction.
For the rubbers with 1.4 Aspect Ratio , they have both frictioned & frictionless versions.
The verison with Aspect Ratio is not treated . So I assume it would less frictionless.
I ordered a sheet of this to test to see if it is NOT frictionless & so good for a chopper.
I will post here after I test it.
Did you hear from them ?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: March 15th, 2025, 11:13 pm
by Lukjanm
The package (see bottom right of attached picture) shows 3 pip lengths of 1.9 mm , 2.1 mm and 2.5 mm
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: March 25th, 2025, 7:46 pm
by merlin el mago
James Z wrote: ↑March 6th, 2025, 1:51 pm
merlin el mago wrote: ↑February 14th, 2025, 9:24 am
I'm waiting answer for the seller because first to buy I want to know if are frictionless or with friction.
For the rubbers with 1.4 Aspect Ratio , they have both frictioned & frictionless versions.
The verison with Aspect Ratio is not treated . So I assume it would less frictionless.
I ordered a sheet of this to test to see if it is NOT frictionless & so good for a chopper.
I will post here after I test it.
Did you hear from them ?
Not hear from them, finally I bought and it's frictionless so now I have my new weapon against LP, SP & anti.
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: March 26th, 2025, 2:49 am
by Conxita
merlin el mago wrote: ↑March 25th, 2025, 7:46 pm
James Z wrote: ↑March 6th, 2025, 1:51 pm
merlin el mago wrote: ↑February 14th, 2025, 9:24 am
I'm waiting answer for the seller because first to buy I want to know if are frictionless or with friction.
For the rubbers with 1.4 Aspect Ratio , they have both frictioned & frictionless versions.
The verison with Aspect Ratio is not treated . So I assume it would less frictionless.
I ordered a sheet of this to test to see if it is NOT frictionless & so good for a chopper.
I will post here after I test it.
Did you hear from them ?
Not hear from them, finally I bought and it's frictionless so now I have my new weapon against LP, SP & anti.
Which version you bought ?
You play ITTF event with them ?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: March 28th, 2025, 2:14 am
by merlin el mago
I have both: first I bought OX 2.1 with friction and last I bought OX 2.5 frictionless.
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: April 2nd, 2025, 8:36 pm
by Conxita
merlin el mago wrote: ↑March 28th, 2025, 2:14 am
I have both: first I bought OX 2.1 with friction and last I bought OX 2.5 frictionless.
How do you like it compared to the Reach you bought earlier ?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: April 2nd, 2025, 8:39 pm
by Chin23
merlin el mago wrote: ↑March 28th, 2025, 2:14 am
I have both: first I bought OX 2.1 with friction and last I bought OX 2.5 frictionless.
Have you tried any of the Indonesian long pips yet ?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: April 10th, 2025, 7:26 pm
by merlin el mago
Conxita wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2025, 8:36 pm
merlin el mago wrote: ↑March 28th, 2025, 2:14 am
I have both: first I bought OX 2.1 with friction and last I bought OX 2.5 frictionless.
How do you like it compared to the Reach you bought earlier ?
What Reach: C8 or C801?
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: April 10th, 2025, 7:26 pm
by merlin el mago
Chin23 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2025, 8:39 pm
merlin el mago wrote: ↑March 28th, 2025, 2:14 am
I have both: first I bought OX 2.1 with friction and last I bought OX 2.5 frictionless.
Have you tried any of the Indonesian long pips yet ?
Not yet.
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: April 12th, 2025, 1:01 am
by Block Spin
merlin el mago wrote: ↑April 10th, 2025, 7:26 pm
Conxita wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2025, 8:36 pm
merlin el mago wrote: ↑March 28th, 2025, 2:14 am
I have both: first I bought OX 2.1 with friction and last I bought OX 2.5 frictionless.
How do you like it compared to the Reach you bought earlier ?
What Reach: C8 or C801?
This one below you mentioned in your earlier post LOL
merlin el mago wrote: ↑February 5th, 2025, 11:03 am
Received the Yinhe Young Red OX 2.1 with friction few days ago & today arrived the blade The Wall Carbon and glued the long pips, surely this week I will try and tell here how it goes vs the same blade with Reach C801.
Re: Is this REAL long pips rubber Yinhe Young really ITTF approved ?
Posted: April 13th, 2025, 1:20 am
by merlin el mago
Both Reach have more disruption & reversal, the most C801 so also the most difficult to play. N.B. Both Reach are with friction.
Yinhe Young OX 2.1 with friction or Yinhe Young OX 2.5 frictionless doesn't have the same level of disruption & reversal like Reach.
In place of WBG I tried tried Yinhe Young OX 2.1 with friction using adhesive foil from D.M.S. and it have more disruption & reversal but still not as Reach.
Today other new experiment: 0.3-0.6 old hard sponge from TSP Curl P1R glued with WBG to the blasee & also between the sponge & the Yinhe Young OX 2.1 with friction, till next week can't test.