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Metaxa wrote: on Monday September 15at 3:35 PM #23

Tony's Table Tennis wrote: SP Chopper and SP player (predominately attacking players) is quite different.

SP chopper has the advantage of add spin variations and can attack more.

Yes, I know that, but: why on that age with SP? Why? Give me one good reason. Why do you let a child start SP? That's why I'm curious to know the answer. It’s only a simple question.

You know it but know it wrong because you (Metaxa) & Tony's Table Tennis is clueless both are TOTALLY clueless as to the basic operational mechanics of wide stiff pips as compared to slim flex pips and actual long flex pips.
You both need to first understand what spin continuum is

Wide (stiff) pips can attack a little more but that is not a huge advantage if you are a chopper to start with if you are not close to the table and also if you are using wide (stiff) pips on the backhand. Wide (stiff) pips, while is theoretically the best forehand rubber (mostly Asin grip players rather than European and American grip players also) is the absolute worst backhand rubber.

However I agree with Metaxa on one thing. Children should not initially start with wide (stiff) pips either on the forehand or on the backhand especially if you are NOT an Asian grip player.
Wide (stiff) pips is a highly specialized surface and only the most talented among us can use it. While there had been a few world champion Asian grip players using wide stiff pips , Johnny Huang is the only one who reached the highest levels using European grip and with wide pips one both sides.

Chopping with wide pips is mostly a gimmick & had been pushed by the ITTF because ITTF does not want more players using even slim flex pips let alone actual long flex pips. And manufacturers have exploited this by designing wide pips to behave like slim flex pips.

But the fact is that the few pros are successful not because they use wide pips but because they are so talented that they are successful despite using wide pips on backhand. But that does not mean it is the best rubber for them. Actual long flex pips OX is the best backhand rubber for amateurs & with sponge for pros.

Children can move on to wide stiff pips (from spinny inverted) on the forehand later on if they demonstrate exceptional talent to be able to use wide stiff pips on forehand. But the probability of this is only like 2%

They can also move to spinny inverted on backhand (from long flex pips) very similar to above if they demonstrate exceptional talent to be able to use spinny inverted on backhand but the probability of this is only 10%

Children should start with all spin table tennis FIRST using smart rackets . They should not start using dumb rackets. Of course ITTF has successfully brainwashed everyone (including me) for more than 50 years

All this explained by many posters in this forum in many topics and also under the OP thread for this topic .
Click on link below
Jian Li Coaching malpractice Re Looking for a coach for an advanced chopper


But I doubt neither Metaxa not Tony's Table Tennis would bother to investigate all this with an open mind