Jian Li > Coaching malpractice ?? Re: Looking for a coach for an advanced chopper

[Loop Rev]

on Friday September , 12, 2025 8:41 PM #18
1. As a player, Jian would be above 2500 using short pips tomorrow with no training (I have played against him with them on, he openly admits to chopping better with them than long pips but cannot adjust to minor tempo differences versus his normal game).

HELLO !!!!
Jian Li's highest USATT league rating is like 2650 with slim flex pips and would probably be 2800 with actual long (flex) pips
So what is you point with him being 2500 with wide (stiff) pips ?
If you want to be a competitive player isn't your goal is is to maximize your rating & success ?
Ot this young girl you are trying ruin the career of , just playing for fun and exercise only ? OMG

on Friday September , 12, 2025 8:41 PM #18
2. As a coach, he almost certainly knows more than any short pips chopper you will meet about development of this type of player including most at the professional level - this is likely because he has direct interaction with + access to the best players in the world using this style and talks with them often (e.g. Hou Yingchao). He not only understands the techniques for / nuances of the most difficult shots with the rubber, but also the expected sequences stemming from those shots and the appropriate tempo/footwork. It bears highlighting that he was not only a Chinese provincial team player, but actually a provincial team coach and may actually be a stronger coach than player.

This is where you are completely screwed up.
I am not questioning the fact that Jian Li understands how Hou Yingchao etc play using wide (stiff) pips.
But the question rather whether you or this young girl should be using wide (stiff) pips or actual (flex) pips
Players like Hou Yingchao, Han Ying, Honoka Hashimoto , Hitomi Sato Mima Ito etc are NOT successful because they use wide(stiff) pips , but rather, they are successful DESPITE using wide (stiff) pips on the backhand because of their enormous talent.

Because wide (stiff) pips , even modified to act like slim (flex) pips for marketing gimmick purposes by the manufacturers is absolutely not a backhand rubber. It is theoretically the best forehand rubber but even that most shakehanders cannot be successful . Yes there had been a few World Champion penholders using wide (stiff) pips on the forehand.
Johnny Huang is a unique one in a billion exception.

If Jian LI thinks wide (stiff) pips can be used as a chopping tool on the backhand especially for amateurs, neither you nor Jian Li nor this young girl's father have a basic understanding of the differences in operational mechanics between wide (stiff) pips and slim (flex) pips or long (flex) pips.

So if Jian Li allows you or this young girl to use wide (stiff) pips for backhand chopping rather than correct you and make any players like you or this young girl use ONLY actual non-ITTF long (flex) pips, I am sorry, Jian Li is engaging in coaching malpractice.

Listen to me again .
Wide (stiff) pips is not a backhand rubber in ANY capacity and especially for away from the table choppers and most especially for low and mid level amateurs.

Why ? Simply because low and mid level amateurs do not have the feel or athletic skills of a semi-pro or pro chopper to execute chops or vary the spins . It is pure fantasy. ITTF does not want players to use actual long (flex) pips and manufacturers exploit the fact that these high level choppers use wide (stiff) pips to create a hysteria & sell more wide (stiff) pips. The robotNazi controlled ITTF does not want slim (flex) pips or actual (long) pips. They consider it a massive nuisance.

[Clément]

It absolutely blows my mind as to how even pro players like Jian Li do not understand how wide (stiff) pips work relative to slim (flex) pips or long (flex) pips. ............this despite the simple fact that wide (pips) are the oldest and original pips

In all fairness to Jian Li , he is not the only coach I have seen or heard who accepts whatever the student wants to use as their chosen equipment (such as wide (stiff) pips on the backhand here). I have seen many coaches allow their students to use wide (stiff) pips on the backhand because the student wants to live in a delusional fantasyland of Hou Yingchao, Ding Song, Honoka Hashimoto , Hitomi Sato or Mima Ito etc

It is the defensive coaches responsibility to understand the long history of this corrupt sport and how the robotNazi conotrolled ITTF has oppressed over and over since 1977 with the 14 rule and regulation changes

[Jarock]

Click here to read why wide (stiff) pips is the worst backhand rubber

[Bhavic]

The saddest part about honorary loopers & choppers is this .
They are such ignorant fools that they are willing to submit any level of abuse inflicted by the robotNazi controlled ITTF and still desperately crave for approval robotNazis as their equals.
Without realizing the simple fact that the robotNazis will never ever ever accept you as their equals.
In their eyes you are second class garbage they just cannot get rid of but have to tolerate only because they do not want the pips players go and start their own table tennis association with a level playing field that promotes diversity of playing styles and all spins table tennis and not the ITTF's version of top spin only table tennis
Truly sad and pathetic

[Chailzyk]

on Friday September , 12, 2025 8:41 PM #18
he openly admits to chopping better with them than long pips but cannot adjust to minor tempo differences versus his normal game

No chopper plays just chopping only or looping only.
Your play should in totality of all various strokes, strategies, serves etc you use
So your statement that he chops better with wide (stiff) pips than slim (flex) pips is totally absurd.
Because by your own admission his highest possible rating will drop from 2650 to 2500.
So how is it possible that he chops better?
What does that really mean ?

[Chailzyk]

on Friday September , 12, 2025 8:41 PM #18
1. As a player, Jian would be above 2500 using short pips tomorrow with no training (I have played against him with them on, he openly admits to chopping better with them than long pips e).

No chopper plays just chopping only or looping only.
Your play should in totality of all various strokes, strategies, serves etc you use
So your statement that he chops better with wide (stiff) pips than slim (flex) pips is totally absurd.
Because by your own admission his highest possible rating will drop from 2650 to 2500.
So how is it possible that he chops better?
What does that really mean ?

on Friday September , 12, 2025 8:41 PM #18
but cannot adjust to minor tempo differences versus his normal game).

EXACTLY
This is because the spin contrast between forehand and backhand is better using slm flex pips and even more better using actual long (flex) pips