StillTT, MTS388,Groupoid etc have no idea how ratings work Re: Flaw in USATT rating system

[Red Zone]

on Friday, December 29 , 2024 at 12:47pm
I just don't see a problem with this at all. The person who got the high rating can't enter his skill level division until he plays in many much higher rated events and loses lots of points to get his rating down to his true level. I can see the ego part of it. "This player has a much higher rating than me and I'm better than him, it's not fair" If you know his rating is clearly not his skill level then "who cares"
If I were the op I would be thrilled to play him as often as I could. Each time you beat him you would get fifty points.

You have been playing for so long & yet you have no idea how ratings work or what is the very purpose of a rating system
The purpose of the rating system is to assign as accurate a rating as possible and as early as possible in a fair & equitable manner
If ratings can be "awarded" randomly just as a "prize" for just joining the USATT , that is one the stupidest reasons to have a rating system
The purpose of a rating system is not to just "award" extra bonus ratings points for just participating.
I know the rating system can NEVER be perfect & there will always be scammers who will try to game the system like this.
You need to study & understand how rating system works & how point interchanges work & how players get their ratings adjusted in USATT tournaments but not in leagues etc etc.

[scdtt46]

A player has to "earn" their rating with real wins
If a player is just "awarded' high rating points just for participatung , the entire rating sytem becomes a joke
A player who has to "earn" their ratings has every right to be annoyed.
It is like you have a college degree and work in a place & got multiple promotions but then suddenly somone with no college or relevant work experiece is appointed as your manager LOL

[Jennifer@]

I suggest that MTS388, Groupoid, StillTT etc also read the 2 following topics

Another clueless posting by MyTT Admin StillTT Re Serious Flaw in USATT rating system

USATT Fake Ratings Program on sale

[Abdul Saker]

On Friday December 20, 2024 at 6:27pm
I can see a good point here. I don't care much when the presence of overrated players hurts other players' egos (and I don't think USATT has to).
However, I can see that a player, once obtained an overly high rating, may be discouraged to participate in tournaments, since they will most likely lose it. Technically, this issue is on the player and not on USATT, but it's a natural understandable human weakness, and this situation should also be prevented.
Perhaps, one can introduce two ratings: "seeding rating" and "ego rating", where seeding rating is calculated using current rules, and ego rating requires a sufficient amount of wins. Or one can use same method of calculation but promote the person's rating to "ego" status after 5 tournament wins.

Despite repeated explanations I don’t think neither MTS388 nor Groupoid understand the very purpose of ratings. The way they talk, they are claiming that we should allow one & all with some random highest ratings assigned to them.
They have no clue about ramifications of such ridiculous thinking. I don’t think these two understand the elementary mathematics & statistics involved in processing the ratings and how they differ when processing tournament rating compared to league rating.
All this was explained two years ago to USATT committee members & all tournament directors.
As Tomcat22 re explained here, 100s of USATT members work hard day after day week after week to improve their ratings nut Groupoid & MTS388 etc feel it is perfectly ok to just assign some random high ratings to a newcomer.
The critical point is that a player has to “earn” their rating. Not awarded some high rating points just for participation. USATT has already introduced a separate and ridiculous ranking system for this very purpose.

[scdtt46]

on Friday December 20, 2024 at 6:27pm
In the last case, due to absence of practical applications, perhaps it's not even necessary for USATT to do anything, we can all just agree between us that rating only counts after the player scores 5 wins.LOL

Fine.
Why have a rating system at all. We can all make up ratings & we all can be legends in out own minds.
The highest rating that 100s & 100s of players strive achive is just a waste of time
Hey why even have a comprtition. We all get together & just hit around and get assigned a high rating for participation
If we can all agree that a rating matters only afte 5 wins then why not just make it a part of the USATT ratings processing.
Why award fake high initial ratings & insult 100s of players who strive for yesrs & years to increase their rating with REAL wins
LOL ROTFL

[Chan R.Z.]

USATT ratings page showing a player's highest tournament & league ratings.jpg (22.18 KiB) Viewed 2662 times

Take a look at the attached image of ratings chart in USATT ratings site which charts both the league & tournament ratings the ratings of a very good friend of mine.
As you can see the most important vale on this image is not the rating but a player’s highest rating. This rating stays with a player for life. This is what lots of (amateur) players strive for > to reach the highest possible rating & keep pushing it as high as possible. So if USATT just wants to just give away ratings in a reckless manner just for participation, why should players bother to improve their ratings with REAL wins ? You can just get a fake highest rating by playing in the highest event of any tournament , possibly like US Open or US Closed (This is how many players have gotten ratings well over 2100)
I know no rating system can be perfect. There will always be players who will game the system such as dumping ratings to win a paltry $50 in next tournament or win useless trophies. (I know many players like this).
There are also many other problems that are hard to fix. But this is a serious problem & can be easily fixed by the USATT but they just do not want to.
Are you really suggesting that USATT use a rating called “ego” rating ? Do you even understand how silly & stupid that sounds ? OMG !!
The point is that this has NOTHING to do with ego. That is ridiculous. But keeping the ratings as fair as possible and as early as possible has everything to do with fundamental decency & fairness & very little to do with ego.
Also Groupoid & MTS388 & StillTT etc don’t seem to understand how this could destabilize the entire rating system if more players do this & their inflated ratings get exchanged unfairly if they start actually losing to other players who do not have high ratings. Briefly, these 3 have no clue as to how various rating & ranking systems work. I can completely understand if a newbie does not understand all these nuances but at least StillTT & MTS388 (if not Gorupoid) must know better before making total fools of themselves because these two have been around in the sport longer and must know better.

[Red Zone]

on Friday December 20, 2024 at 6:27pm
In the last case, due to absence of practical applications, perhaps it's not even necessary for USATT to do anything, we can all just agree between us that rating only counts after the player scores 5 wins.LOL

So if I understand groupoid correctly, USATT should rename a player's highest rating shown in above post as "Ego Rating" and call the current rating as "Seed Rating"

ROTFL LMAO LOL

[JazzCom]

mts388, StillTT, groupoid etc

Do you even have any idea how difficult it is to get even a rating of say 400 in table tennis ? (I mean rating...........not ranking)
I know scores of players who struggle all their life trying to break a rating of 1000 and yet they fight on & enjoy the journey & fight.
One may think it is an overkill but it really is not necause competitive tabletennis is really that complicated & difficult a sport.
Some may not like it but it is what it is and if you do not like it , you should take up some other sport you may enjoy better .
Just click on links below take a look at the following tournamnet brochures

Under 400 rating event
2023 Fremont TTA Butterfly April Open

Under 450 rating event
ICC JOOLA SPRING OPEN 2023

For serious competitive amateur players the ratings are as holy & sacred as they come.

But USATT just wants to continue awarding uselessly high rating points destabilizing the entire rating system

[Abdul Saker]

Do you even have any idea how difficult it is to get even a rating of say 400 in table tennis ? (I mean rating...........not ranking)

I have to agree.
As I pointed out 2 years ago, it would make a lot of sense not to assign a rating to a player until at least they have say 5 wins.
3 wins may be sufficent but requiring 5 wins may require the player to participate in more tournaments, if that is what USATT is trying to achieve using this totally sham method of ratings processing